Wow this is great news commentary.

[Panzer_M]

http://www.yikers.com/video_geraldo_..._o_reilly.html

I normally don't like O'reilly, but this is just "lol"

Geraldo is a tool.

[zboot]

Originally Posted by Panzer_M

http://www.yikers.com/video_geraldo_..._o_reilly.html

I normally don't like O'reilly, but this is just "lol"

Geraldo is a tool.

Umm. . to be honest, it looks to me like Geraldo was the one doing the owning of Bill O'Reilly. He (and I don't normally like Geraldo [or full disclosure - O'Reilly]) seemed to be making a reasoned argument and O'Reilly was just yelling the same things over and over.

I guess one's view of what went on depends more on how you view the issue, and less the idiots who were arguing it.

[Panzer_M]

I am anti-illegal...actually I am very anti-Mexican influx. I am also for building a "Iron Wall" between Mexico and the United States. Be it fence or bullets, the border needs to be a solid point, and not a leaking screen it is now.

The Mexican Problem is just one of the crumbling blocks of the Post 1950 America. The billions of dollars the illegals send back to Mexico every year does nothing but assist in the grinddown of the US economy further. That money should and needs to be recirculated into our system, and not feeding the dirtfarm to the south of us.

Also I am not anti-latino, if they come to this country legally, follow the course to citizenship and become productive members of American society..more power to them. But a illegal is a cheat, a criminal, a modern day carpet-bagger.

[momorugger]

Originally Posted by Panzer_M

I am anti-illegal...actually I am very anti-Mexican influx. I am also for building a "Iron Wall" between Mexico and the United States.

The Mexican Problem is just one of the crumbling blocks of the Post 1950 America. The billions of dollars the illegals send back to Mexico every year does nothing but assist in the grinddown of the US economy further. That money should and needs to be recirculated into our system, and not feeding the dirtfarm to the south of us.

I agree, especially finding myself closer to the border, illegals are everywhere here.

[Panzer_M]

I also support the Minute-men militias, in Texas and the west. They are taking step the federal goverment is afraid to.

[Panzer_M]

Originally Posted by momorugger

I agree, especially finding myself closer to the border, illegals are everywhere here.

Here on the Space coast, I went to school with 1-3 latinos..really..some are amazed by that, but it's really cause other than NASA and the Airforce it's a backwater hellhole or was until the last 3 years with the housing boom caused by cheap land...but the housing boom brought in a influx of illegals(for construction and similar fields)..when I got my roof done, the crew was all illegals...the contractor told me that..at which point I was ready to call INS once he left his crew to do the job...I didn't since he was a family friend...but man I was irked by that.

I would have rather had a American crew busting thier asses, to earn a honest day's wage, to feed their families, and pay their bills.

It's amazing I never understood how my family could get caught up in the anti-jewish movement in Nat. Soc. Germany in the 1930s....but I feel some of the same emotions with this problem...maybe not to the extremes of beating individuals in the streets..but I see them as a cancer to American society.

[Panzer_M]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6536311.stm

even the brits know of our woes.

[Panzer_M]

According to the plan, a new visa category would be introduced for illegal workers, who could apply for renewable three-year work permits at a cost of $3,500 (£1,800), the Associated Press news agency reports.

But then to become legal residents, workers would have to return to their home countries, apply and pay a $10,000 (£5,100) fine.

Sounds like a start...but not enough in my opinion.

"We have no way to come up with that much money, and Bush knows that," she said. "He is doing this on purpose so we don't ever become legal residents

15k?(inflated by me) that's a 7.25$/hr@40hrs for a year, less if you work two jobs, less if you plan it for 2 years.

Pretty cheap if you want to become a American, esp when you compare the benefits of being a illegal vs a citizen.

[zboot]

Well, I have a solution for getting the billions of dollars spent repatriating illegals:

Stop deporting them.

Now that I've solved that problem, what are the other issues people have with America's current influx of "illegals"?

[96cali]

This is a bit far flung but it has occurred to me there may be other countries needing labor and/or people. Can we ship them to N. Canada or Greenland? Can you imagine the deterence factor if you're caught you don't go back home but instead to a frozen wasteland?

[mohaughn]

15k?(inflated by me) that's a 7.25$/hr@40hrs for a year, less if you work two jobs, less if you plan it for 2 years.

You forgot taxes, social security, rent, food, transportation.... And how many illegal immigrants do you think are really making 7.25 an hour? The problem isn't the immigrants, it is the business owners that continue to pay these people such low wages so that they can make more money. After all, why did you go with who you went with? He had the best price right? Would you be willing to go back and pay an extra 1500 to have an all American crew do the work?

[zboot]

Originally Posted by mohaughn

You forgot taxes, social security, rent, food, transportation.... And how many illegal immigrants do you think are really making 7.25 an hour? The problem isn't the immigrants, it is the business owners that continue to pay these people such low wages so that they can make more money. After all, why did you go with who you went with? He had the best price right? Would you be willing to go back and pay an extra 1500 to have an all American crew do the work?

The question is do you have the extra $1500 to pay the crew. The argument starts entering a twilight zone where we get into the issue of if you didn't have the money to pay american workers, then you'd never had built whatever it was in the first place. . .and thus NOBODY would have been employed, and the spiral continues downward.

It's easy to break the spiral. Take the example of building a house. . .just build a cheaper house. The problem is that American's live outside their means and our ecnomy would suffer if suddenly everyone decided it's better to save up for what they want, than settle for what they can afford, instead of buying what they cannot (like we do now).

If you're not confused yet, don't worry, I'll be back.

[aceyx]

Anarchy? Talk about logical fallacies. Sin? Hello, irrelevant non sequitur. What I hate most is that these people can't argue like adults. They're just children on the playground with larger vocabularies.


I agree with zboot: can we blame them for coming to chase the American Dream? No--it's how we were founded.

If people stop hiring them, they will stop coming.

Following the same reasoning, if people stop watching shock tv like this, they'll stop airing this crap.

[momorugger]

I am guilty of finding this shock tv very funny. It always nice to hear somebody defend illegality.

[jkilla71]

Originally Posted by mohaughn

The problem isn't the immigrants, it is the business owners that continue to pay these people such low wages so that they can make more money. After all, why did you go with who you went with? He had the best price right? Would you be willing to go back and pay an extra 1500 to have an all American crew do the work?

Nicely said, the problem would go away if business had to pay the going rate for who ever they hired. The jobs any Illegals perform would be taken by legal workers if the employer paid the market average. The system currently is punishing the upstanding business owner by allowing people to be paid below the market average which ends up making the law abiding business owner lose all his/her profit just to be competitive.