6 cylinder swap Vs. supercharger

[DustenT]

Originally Posted by needle332rur

Thats what need to happen, we need to get some of our cars together and dyno them, check costs, and see whats better. both side have pros and cons.

I totally agree....and congratulations on having half a brain.

[96cali]

from Lisa Bethel at www.understeer.com:

"After the supercharger, my car (1997 318ti) dyno'd at 190hp at the wheels. It ran a 15.2 second quarter mile. The Nick G. software and pulley has helped a lot. I have not had a chance to put it on a dyno again, but used Chris used a GTech measurement device--which is supposed to very accurate. It ran a 14.7 second quarter mile at 93mph.

It should be good for ~230hp at the crank."

I remember it pulling 196hp but she knows better. Those numbers are with M44 DASC w/100k miles, stromung, lightweight flywheel, Nick G. Stage 3 software and 3.4"(?) pulley.

Who had the water mist system around here?

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by 96cali

Who had the water mist system around here?

I think DustenT has that or might of had it. Correct me if i am wrong..

[Dredder]

I remember it pulling 196hp but she knows better. Those numbers are with M44 DASC w/100k miles, stromung, lightweight flywheel, Nick G. Stage 3 software and 3.4"(?) pulley

I would bet they have spent as much money as my swap. On my first run at 1/4 "my very first time" I ran 14.6. I'm a ****ty driver so my car is capable of running better time.

Dont get me wrong here, Im pro mod. Like i said before, i dont care if i drove a geo, i will put mods/swap in that car also.

You are right L8, their are cars out there faster than you. I would bet you that you have experience another BMW looking down on you because you drive a 318ti. For me buying a 318ti was a personal preference not a financial choice. Now for those BMW who have now tried to walk on me laughing, all i see is thier jaw dropping.

Tyler - why buy a euro motor when you can get a us spec m3 3.0/3.2. With CAI/ex/hfm/cam/software, are are close to the same power output of EURO motor. In addition, you dont have the hardship of trying to find parts when something goes wrong

[pdxmotorhead]

HMM I want the Geo with the M52.....

Dave

[DustenT]

Originally Posted by Tyler

I think DustenT has that or might of had it. Correct me if i am wrong..

I have water/alcohol injection.

[Dredder]

HMM I want the Geo with the M52.....

Just imagine your 1/4 time if you can manage to get a good launch. Geo weigth in at about 50lbs with 240bhp..All i can say is dannnnnngggggggggggggggg. Total sleeper.. Bring on the new c06

[Silver00spike]

Where can I buy this magical m3 motor for $2700?

[DustenT]

Originally Posted by Dredder

Just imagine your 1/4 time if you can manage to get a good launch. Geo weigth in at about 50lbs with 240bhp..All i can say is dannnnnngggggggggggggggg. Total sleeper.. Bring on the new c06

I remember a while back seeing a kit to put a Yamaha V-Max 4 snowmobile engine in a Geo Metro. Imagine driving a 4 cylinder 2 stroke car!

[Dredder]

Originally Posted by Silver00Spike

Where can I buy this magical m3 motor for $2700?

I did my homework before my swap. Reason why i didnt get ripped off. Doesnt anybody here shop around anymore, rather than relying on hearsay. If you wana know bavarian exchance, as I mention in my earlier post sells thier motor cheap.

Originally Posted by bavexhance

These quality guaranteed BMW engines are usually priced 50% to 75% off our standard rebuilt engine prices..

rebuilt engine prices pricelist=

upgrade Engine/Performance Engine/Clutch Kit Add
M3 88-91 MaxSil™ 1316995 / Tefcote™ $5,946 $6,908 $396
M3 95-96 MaxSil™ 1404959 / Tefcote™ $5,322 $6,622 $295
M3 97-98 MaxSil™ 1405513 / Tefcote™ $5,322 $6,622 $295
M5, M6 87-93 MaxSil™ 1310615 / Tefcote™ $6,945 $7,907 $425

Im tired someone can do the math for the discounted rates.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Dredder

You are absolutely wrong. This is why people think the swap is expensive. You should not be spending more than $4000 for the complete swap kit. Trust me I've done my homework. Even if you were to buy from bavarian exchance. Thier high performance M3 engine is only at $2700 with warranty

According to there website the cheapest engine is $3.271 for a 2002 70-76.
the m3 engine is $6,000. They do not list prices on used engines but i doubt i can get a used 3.2l motor with 30k on it for $2700.
I will call them tomorrow and see what the prices are of a used 3.2l engine.

[Dredder]

now take 50 - 75 % off that. Guys i spoke to them in person during my engine swap reasearch
last quote i got from them was last march when i was searching. I ended up going with a shops motor because it was right there in from of me. I knew what i was getting.

But this is the link for everyone
do this in order
http://www.bavengine.com/other.html then http://www.bavengine.com/engines_fr.html

[96cali]

Originally Posted by Dredder

I would bet they have spent as much money as my swap.

mmm... maybe. Of course Chris Bethel is unique as he is a reseller of DASC and Stromung. His labor is also free (to him anyway). Some quick math

Dasc= $2750 group buy
Stromung $450
TCKline flywheel = $500?
Tech tuning St3 software= $1000 (guess cuz it says contact for quote)
Total $4700 w/o labor

Dang that does add up. Dredder does your $6200 total include exhaust work, rear end reinforcements or transmission upgrades?

[Dredder]

Originally Posted by 96cali

Dang that does add up. Dredder does your $6200 total include exhaust work, rear end reinforcements or transmission upgrades?

the price was everything out the door.
I believe i got him beat, My motor complete and ECU was $3800

[Dredder]

remember the $6200 was everything including 80C thermostat and cooler flush. new oil filter and flush, tranny flush, steering fluid flush. The fluid used was, redline synthetics from a certified BMW mechanic and BMW only repair shop here in portland.
If anyones doubting me. I did a few pulls against OregonAlpines' OBD2 M3 from BFC and he couldnt hang. We did a freeway pull and i didnt even down shift to third gear.