» Site Navigation | | » Recent Threads | | | | | | | 03-25-2009, 07:15 PM | #1 | Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 75 | Timing Chain Cover Gasket Does anyone know if you need to remove the head in order to change the upper and lower timing chain cover gaskets? __________________ Raymond | | | 03-25-2009, 07:30 PM | #2 | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 1,625 | no, you do not - but the water pump + the timing chain may have to go... __________________ SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD! Metric Mechanic's 2.0 stroker/258' intake cam/42 lb. inj./remap/HD fuel pump /DASC w.3' pulley @ 15psi/SNOW System/3.45 LSD/Billstein PSS coils /Stromung Exhaust/DS1's/X-Brace/Front & Rear H&R Sways/OMP 300mm SW /SAP delete/ASC+T delete/Hayabusa valve springs/MM's LTW flywheel | | | 03-25-2009, 08:14 PM | #3 | Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 75 | Ok. I guess I'll figure it out once I start pulling it apart. I really don't want to pull the head off if I don't have to. So your response is making me feel a bit better about doing it. The dealership quoted me 1200 to do the timing chain cover gaskets and oil pan gaskets. There's no way I'm paying them to do it. __________________ Raymond | | | 03-26-2009, 12:47 PM | #4 | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 1,625 | get yourself a Bently Manual - do not even attempt without it. good luck... __________________ SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD! Metric Mechanic's 2.0 stroker/258' intake cam/42 lb. inj./remap/HD fuel pump /DASC w.3' pulley @ 15psi/SNOW System/3.45 LSD/Billstein PSS coils /Stromung Exhaust/DS1's/X-Brace/Front & Rear H&R Sways/OMP 300mm SW /SAP delete/ASC+T delete/Hayabusa valve springs/MM's LTW flywheel | | | 03-26-2009, 04:25 PM | #6 | Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: norcal - 94590 Posts: 3,186 | That one is correct... There is no ti-specific manual. __________________ James 95 active w/leather interior and sport interior conversion, Vaders, full M-Tech exterior conversion. Now m50 swapped* Eibach sway bars, D2 Coilovers, Depo's w/AE's, blacked-out sides and grills, LeatherZ console and door armrests, 1 series starter button mod, and custom finished Style 5's <--- in this color! Named "Roddy": *M50 6 cyl. swap with fan delete, S50 cams and chip, AFE stage 2 intake, M3 clutch and 11.5 lb Fidanza flywheel, 3.15LSD, battery relocated to rear and complete custom exhaust. Sweet! 97 318ti sport, Alaska Blue, Contours, coilovers, Dove Vaders and custom black/grey interior named "Max" 95 318ti Active in Cosmos, S50 swap in progress... named "Pit" SUPPORT 318ti.org! CLICK THE LINK ABOVE! Hosting a forum like this is not free. 318ti.org is one of the best BMW forums on the web because it is member supported, not vendor supported. The cost to become a Supporter is a nominal $10.00... A YEAR! DO IT! NOW! | | | 03-26-2009, 04:31 PM | #7 | Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 75 | thanks. I bought the BMW shop manual cd off of Ebay for $10 but it's hard to find exactly what I'm looking for. This Bently manual should be easier to follow. __________________ Raymond | | | 03-26-2009, 06:25 PM | #8 | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 1,625 | thats the one you need / I have... it includes our cars pretty well. that thing is your bible - you also may wanna get '101 bmw projects' from Pelican Parts... Quote: Originally Posted by 318 | __________________ SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD! Metric Mechanic's 2.0 stroker/258' intake cam/42 lb. inj./remap/HD fuel pump /DASC w.3' pulley @ 15psi/SNOW System/3.45 LSD/Billstein PSS coils /Stromung Exhaust/DS1's/X-Brace/Front & Rear H&R Sways/OMP 300mm SW /SAP delete/ASC+T delete/Hayabusa valve springs/MM's LTW flywheel | | | 03-31-2009, 10:01 PM | #9 | Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 75 | Does anyone have a recommendations on what I should replace while I have the timing chain cover and oil pan off? __________________ Raymond | | | 03-31-2009, 11:21 PM | #10 | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Raleigh/Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,233 | not sure how the chain tensioner works in an m42/4 but i would replace that. On the m50 you don't even have to take the timing case off. __________________ -Jeff | | | 04-01-2009, 04:45 PM | #11 | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 1,625 | +1 on the tensioner - if those things go, you are f-ed. also, change the water pump & the t-stat if you got the money - it never hurts. Quote: Originally Posted by Xenocide not sure how the chain tensioner works in an m42/4 but i would replace that. On the m50 you don't even have to take the timing case off. | __________________ SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD!SOLD! Metric Mechanic's 2.0 stroker/258' intake cam/42 lb. inj./remap/HD fuel pump /DASC w.3' pulley @ 15psi/SNOW System/3.45 LSD/Billstein PSS coils /Stromung Exhaust/DS1's/X-Brace/Front & Rear H&R Sways/OMP 300mm SW /SAP delete/ASC+T delete/Hayabusa valve springs/MM's LTW flywheel | | | 04-01-2009, 08:26 PM | #12 | Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 75 | Thanks for the advice. __________________ Raymond | | | 04-28-2009, 01:42 PM | #13 | Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 75 | Special Tools? I've been busy getting all the gaskets to do the timing chain cover (upper and lower) and the oil pan (looks like a lot of work). I'm going to start at it tonight. One question though. There's a special tool required to hold the camshafts in place while removing the timing chain. I'm going to be real careful in removing all the sprockets and mark everything really well. HAS ANYONE ELSE DONE THE TIMING CHAIN WITHOUT THIS TOOL? I've done SOHC timing belts before but never a DOHC timing chain. I picked up the Bentley manual so other than this I'm ready to go. __________________ Raymond | | | 04-28-2009, 01:54 PM | #14 | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, Ohio Posts: 868 | Being careful is not enough. you need to have at least a flywheel lock (basically a pin which fits thru the flywheel), and sonthing to hold the camshafts in the right position. A Rigid Chain Tensioner is helpful, too. You can really screw up your engin if you get the valve timing wrong. Look in the knowledge base. I posted drawings of the tools. Also there is a simplified cam locking plate drawing in the Haynes manual. The problem you run into doing this without the tools is that things move or get moved very often when you are working on an engine. Going by marks is pretty tough. By the way, is it necessary to remove the chain to do what you are doing? I thought it was gaskets only? One more thing... get some "Right Stuff" http://www.permatex.com/products/Aut...sket_Maker.htm You only want to do this once and getting the profile gaskit in will be tough without taking the head off. | | | 04-28-2009, 02:02 PM | #15 | Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 75 | I need to get to the rear lower profile gasket which requires the crankshaft pulley removed so I can take the rear cover off and replace all the gaskets. I'm going to see if a local shop will lend me the camshaft tool. I doubt it though. As for the flywheel lock I have something that will work. That permatex gasket stuff, do you put it in your oil and then it plugs up the leaks? I'm scared of what else it may plug up if that's what it is. __________________ Raymond | | | | | Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | | Posting Rules | You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | |