318ti.org forum

Go Back   318ti.org forum > Technical, Maintenance and Modifications > Suspension

Notices

Suspension Springs, sway bars, shocks.

.
» Recent Threads
The 318ti OBD-II engine...
10-19-2006 06:48 PM
Last post by Filiski120
04-24-2024 06:40 PM
210 Replies, 1,006,931 Views
Reply Share/Bookmark
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-07-2009, 05:55 AM   #1
Maverix
Senior Member
 
Maverix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Austin
Posts: 3,059
Vehicles
iTrader: (14)
Default RD springs or m3 springs?

Ok, I know that the m3 springs don't work on the rears, but will they for the front? And would they drop more than the RD springs that I'm getting? (1.25")

I'm asking because there is a guy parting out his sport e36 m3 for cheap. He also has e46 m3 springs. If they don't fit, I'll probably buy em and resell em.
__________________
Come get a ti-shirt
Quote:
From the e30 M3, evolved the e36.
They were "Keepin it Real" when they introduced the 318ti ClubSport in '95 and the 318ti Sports from '96 to '99.
After that... well nothing else really matters.
~Jess
Maverix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2009, 05:56 AM   #2
ATF
Senior Member
 
ATF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Stamford, CT <-> Boston, MA
Posts: 1,393
iTrader: (1)
Default

M3 springs only work on M3 struts, which also require M3 sways, which all don't "fit". Of course you could do custom fab to make them "fit".

edit: I might have lied about the sways, they may not be required.
__________________

BMWCCA #403399
2012 Mini Cooper S Clubman, 6-Speed
Loaded
2001 325xi, Winter Package, 5-Speed
Traded
1998 318ti, Active, Automatic, TOTAL LOSS R.I.P. 10/20/08
Bilstein Sport Shocks/Struts . H&R Sport Springs . Strut Reinforcement Plates . RSM Reinforcement Plates . Fogg Airbox . X-Brace . Bosal Brospeed Catback
ATF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2009, 06:00 AM   #3
Maverix
Senior Member
 
Maverix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Austin
Posts: 3,059
Vehicles
iTrader: (14)
Default

Oh wow. Wasn't expecting that. If that's the case, I'll just stick to the RDS kit.

Thank you!
__________________
Come get a ti-shirt
Quote:
From the e30 M3, evolved the e36.
They were "Keepin it Real" when they introduced the 318ti ClubSport in '95 and the 318ti Sports from '96 to '99.
After that... well nothing else really matters.
~Jess
Maverix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2009, 04:20 PM   #4
96cali
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Saint Paul, MN
Posts: 3,244
iTrader: (1)
Default

springs should physically fit but you're carrying less weight up front unless you're swapped. Likely less drop anyways. Use the RD.
__________________
My Former Rides
1999 318ti Alpine White, Cali Roof, Dinan goodies
1996 318ti Hellrot California Edition

96cali is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2009, 05:03 PM   #5
J!m
Moderator
 
J!m's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Bouncing off the rev limiter in CT!
Posts: 3,156
Vehicles
iTrader: (1)
Default

Unless you are carrying an S50B32 under the hood, you will be WAY too light in the nose for M3 springs. Your ride height will increase with M3 springs and a four under the hood.

The will fit on your ti struts (as mentioned) so you could use the ti struts and sway arrangement.

However, the M3 arrangement is far superior to the ti arramgement, and the sway bar is lighter as well.

Everything from the M3 bolts into the ti chassis with no modifications at all.

If you have a four, you need springs rated for that weight.
__________________
"Speed's just a question of money. How fast you 'wanna go?"

Order Swap Manuals Here => http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12912

WolferJ- gone but not forgotten. R.I.P.
J!m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2009, 06:31 PM   #6
ATF
Senior Member
 
ATF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Stamford, CT <-> Boston, MA
Posts: 1,393
iTrader: (1)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by J!m View Post
Unless you are carrying an S50B32 under the hood, you will be WAY too light in the nose for M3 springs. Your ride height will increase with M3 springs and a four under the hood.

The will fit on your ti struts (as mentioned) so you could use the ti struts and sway arrangement.

However, the M3 arrangement is far superior to the ti arramgement, and the sway bar is lighter as well.

Everything from the M3 bolts into the ti chassis with no modifications at all.

If you have a four, you need springs rated for that weight.

Really? I was under the impression that they were physically different as well. I didn't know the only reason was because they were spec'ed differently. I could've sworn I saw 328 owners not putting M3 suspension in because it wouldn't fit. Oh well, I stand corrected.
__________________

BMWCCA #403399
2012 Mini Cooper S Clubman, 6-Speed
Loaded
2001 325xi, Winter Package, 5-Speed
Traded
1998 318ti, Active, Automatic, TOTAL LOSS R.I.P. 10/20/08
Bilstein Sport Shocks/Struts . H&R Sport Springs . Strut Reinforcement Plates . RSM Reinforcement Plates . Fogg Airbox . X-Brace . Bosal Brospeed Catback
ATF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2009, 07:26 PM   #7
J!m
Moderator
 
J!m's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Bouncing off the rev limiter in CT!
Posts: 3,156
Vehicles
iTrader: (1)
Default

I can measure them, but by "eye" the springs appear to have the same diameter. I have the ti sport springs, US M3 springs and Euro M3 GT springs and they all appear to have the same diameter.

The rates are VERY different on the three...
__________________
"Speed's just a question of money. How fast you 'wanna go?"

Order Swap Manuals Here => http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12912

WolferJ- gone but not forgotten. R.I.P.
J!m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2009, 07:37 PM   #8
thesk8nmidget
Senior Member
 
thesk8nmidget's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Eugene Oregon
Posts: 6,182
iTrader: (2)
Default

i have had m3 struts in my ti before and they fit fine and i was running ti springs, then upgraded to h&r springs.
__________________
-Josh
Sold-1995 318ti, Club Sport, Hellrot
Sold-1996 318ti, Active Model, Boston Green
Current- 1995 318ti, sport model, schwartz
thesk8nmidget is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2009, 07:38 PM   #9
ATF
Senior Member
 
ATF's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Stamford, CT <-> Boston, MA
Posts: 1,393
iTrader: (1)
Default

Hrmm, so I guess the ultimate question is will M3 springs fit in ti struts. But then do you run into tuning problems, especially if you're not running a 6-cyl
__________________

BMWCCA #403399
2012 Mini Cooper S Clubman, 6-Speed
Loaded
2001 325xi, Winter Package, 5-Speed
Traded
1998 318ti, Active, Automatic, TOTAL LOSS R.I.P. 10/20/08
Bilstein Sport Shocks/Struts . H&R Sport Springs . Strut Reinforcement Plates . RSM Reinforcement Plates . Fogg Airbox . X-Brace . Bosal Brospeed Catback
ATF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-07-2009, 08:07 PM   #10
J!m
Moderator
 
J!m's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Bouncing off the rev limiter in CT!
Posts: 3,156
Vehicles
iTrader: (1)
Default

well, yes, you have tuning problems, because the nose of your car will sit higher, and the rate is too high for the weight of the car.

I estimate it will be 3/4-1" higher with the M3 springs in place of the ti springs...
__________________
"Speed's just a question of money. How fast you 'wanna go?"

Order Swap Manuals Here => http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?t=12912

WolferJ- gone but not forgotten. R.I.P.
J!m is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2011, 06:47 PM   #11
NiteOp
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: so cal
Posts: 44
Vehicles
iTrader: (0)
Default

please revive thread from the past! J!M said all three spring sets have the same diameter. for the rears? the top and bottom double pigtails? I would prefer more spring Rate and less drop.

For the fronts: the inner spring diameter is the same?
the '95 to '96 (smaller) are different at the top
NiteOp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2011, 08:43 PM   #12
bullmand
Senior Member
 
bullmand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Halethorpe, MD
Posts: 1,028
iTrader: (0)
Default

There's some good information in the first couple of paragraphs of this page.

http://www.protoworks.com/cgi-bin/C-...Are_Like_Legos
__________________
'98 Alaska Blue Sport
www.baltimorecitypipeband.com
bullmand is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2011, 09:09 PM   #13
NiteOp
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: so cal
Posts: 44
Vehicles
iTrader: (0)
Default

Thanks Bullmand
NiteOp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-18-2011, 09:36 PM   #14
bullmand
Senior Member
 
bullmand's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Halethorpe, MD
Posts: 1,028
iTrader: (0)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by NiteOp View Post
Thanks Bullmand
You're welcome, but the thanks actually belong to spidertri. He linked to that in a post the other day. I thought it was a fantastic resource so it doesn't hurt to spread it around a little.
__________________
'98 Alaska Blue Sport
www.baltimorecitypipeband.com
bullmand is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
WTT: H/R Sport springs for Race springs b-rad US and North America 0 12-09-2008 06:15 PM
Which H&R springs? johnclem88 Suspension 7 08-23-2008 06:12 PM
H&R Sport Springs 4, plus 2 rear Race springs larryn US and North America 5 11-25-2007 12:25 AM
318I Springs Same As TI Springs? 318ti Coupe Suspension 1 11-25-2006 02:17 PM
M3 springs? swollix Suspension 2 06-21-2006 12:04 AM


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 12:04 PM.


.
Powered by site supporters
vBulletin Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©1999 - 2024, 318ti.org
© vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.2
[page compression: 119.55 k/142.25 k (15.95%)]

318ti.org does not warrant or assume any legal liability or responsibility for the accuracy, completeness, or usefulness of any information or products discussed.