New Supercharger on the market?

[96cali]

I thought L84THSKY was gonna jump on the free install deal. What happened?

[L84THSKY]

You know what....I'm gonna wait till all this supercharger hype dies down. I have front/rear/roof spoilers, a LSD and now springs and shocks to install.

I'll let everyone else stroke themselves into a frenzy talking about RWHP, videos, water/alcohol injection, dyno tests and all that **** I get tired of hearing about.

When a new supercharger comes around, that is worth buying, I'll know. Right now all this talk makes me sleepy

Originally Posted by 96cali

I thought L84THSKY was gonna jump on the free install deal. What happened?

[lem0n]

On the topic of Joe Ghattas, let me tell our story. I'm a reasonable man and prefer to resolve issue(s) directly with the company, rather then making things public and ugly; however, this is one of the times when exception to the rule applies.
Last year we have purchased an M44 supercharged kit from Joe, when he was still at KO. After unpacking this diseasteous piece of machinery, we called Joe and asked him to pick it up ASAP and issue a refund, as there would be no way in hell we'd put this into one of our customers' cars.
That very night I noticed a FS post on BimmerForums about KO selling an S52 engine, something we were looking for to install into our project car. So next day I contacted Joe and talked to him about getting the engine instead, plus paying whatever was the balance. The deal included an S52 engine from '99 M3 Convertible with 16k mi, manual transmission, driveshaft, rear carrier and 3.23 LSD. Long story short, after 3 months of calling Joe and hearing lies, we finally get the package. Driveshaft is missing. 3.23 LSD is actually a 3.91 open-end. CarFax for the engine reveals that it's actually out of '98 M3 coupe, with 70k mi and True Mileage Unknown on top of that. Cherry on the cake is, after we do a leakdown test, cylinder 4 has 28% leakdown from bent intake valves (mishift). At this point Joe is MIA and KO is royally f'ed, as their phones are dead and emails are unanswered. However, I have to give enormous props to John Paul for getting back to us as quickly as possible, based on the situation he found himself in, explaining everything and working out the solution with us. He seems to be a stand-up guy and I will not hesitate to do future business with him and his company.
So, in case anyone has anymore doubts, please read this and ask yourself if you really want to deal with Joe Ghattas and Midnight Motorwerks.
Also, a note to mods, you should probably consider employing some kind of screening process for prospective advertisers/supporters, as things like this should never happen.

Dimitri
Landshark Automotive

[1996 328ti]

Originally Posted by lem0n

Also, a note to mods, you should probably consider employing some kind of screening process for prospective advertisers/supporters, as things like this should never happen.

We don't have advertisers so our members are free to comment about the businesses who post. Every business that has posted has contacted me first. Bad practice gets spread around the internet pretty quickly.

[Midnight Autoworks]

Originally Posted by 1996 328ti

We don't have advertisers so our members are free to comment about the businesses who post. Every business that has posted has contacted me first. Bad practice gets spread around the internet pretty quickly.

Joeseph Ghattas currently works for me at Midnight Autoworks. Although his ethics are not what they should be, he is a hardworker and is knowledgeable on his area of experties.
His position in the business is mechanics, and design.
I Gus Rodriguez will be in charge of all transactions and relations to our customers.
My primary goal is satisfaction and quality
I ask you to try to neglect all of Joe's past issues and allow me to prove
to you that my business and I will be straight forward, honest, and understanding. No run arounds!

[Panzer_M]

Although his ethics are not what they should be,<<< Enough for 90% of this site to STOP doing business with you.

I meet Joe at Summerblaze 05, and really wasn't impressed with his line of talk.

[SDKmann]

Originally Posted by Midnight Autoworks

Joeseph Ghattas currently works for me at Midnight Autoworks. Although his ethics are not what they should be, he is a hardworker and is knowledgeable on his area of experties.
His position in the business is mechanics, and design.
I Gus Rodriguez will be in charge of all transactions and relations to our customers.
My primary goal is satisfaction and quality
I ask you to try to neglect all of Joe's past issues and allow me to prove
to you that my business and I will be straight forward, honest, and understanding. No run arounds!

It would be great to see this happen. Ill take back all the crap Ive said so far if you prove you have a good product. But if you knew joes ethics were not what they should be and you are in charge of transactions and relations, why did you let him come on this site to talk about your S/C and why did you let it get this far?

[andyman7931]

Originally Posted by Midnight Autoworks

Joeseph Ghattas currently works for me at Midnight Autoworks. Although his ethics are not what they should be, he is a hardworker and is knowledgeable on his area of experties.
His position in the business is mechanics, and design.
I Gus Rodriguez will be in charge of all transactions and relations to our customers.
My primary goal is satisfaction and quality
I ask you to try to neglect all of Joe's past issues and allow me to prove
to you that my business and I will be straight forward, honest, and understanding. No run arounds!

post # 41 on this thread http://www.318ti.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8942 kinda pooped on my party. That and not being able to deliver a " detailed and illustrated installation manual" as stated here http://www.eatonm3.com/318_supercharger.htm . I think your best bet is to complete development before trying to make the product fly here.

[HuGo]

Water injection- On similar systems (Downing Atlanta) the supercharger is powerful in the morning when the car is still cold, after the car heats up, the power drops off tremendously. The reason is, the supercharger heats up, the intake manifold is almost the same temperature as the cylinder head and hot air/fuel mix pre-ignites in the combustion chamber, causing the cars ECU to retard the ignition timing and loosing power. We use a dual nozzle water injection system that is boost activated to cool the supercharger and the air charge going into your motor to maintain the HP and stop pre-ignition without having to run the car super rich. Just fill the tank with water when you pump gas.

what exactly does this mean? You put water instead of gas or what does it mean exactly? Serious responce please.

[andyman7931]

Originally Posted by 1996Bmw318TI

Water injection- On similar systems (Downing Atlanta) the supercharger is powerful in the morning when the car is still cold, after the car heats up, the power drops off tremendously. The reason is, the supercharger heats up, the intake manifold is almost the same temperature as the cylinder head and hot air/fuel mix pre-ignites in the combustion chamber, causing the cars ECU to retard the ignition timing and loosing power. We use a dual nozzle water injection system that is boost activated to cool the supercharger and the air charge going into your motor to maintain the HP and stop pre-ignition without having to run the car super rich. Just fill the tank with water when you pump gas.

what exactly does this mean? You put water instead of gas or what does it mean exactly? Serious responce please.

1st, you can only increase boost (pressure) to a certain level before gas pre-detonates. This is the same as increasing the compression ratio of an engine. If you raise the compression ratio too high, pump gas will pre-detonate and cause your engine to eventually self destruct. keep this in mind for later...

working with gases (not gasoline, elements in their vapor state, like air) there's a formula to describe the relationship between pressure, volume and temperature. You can read more here http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/phys...ealGasLaw.html
The idea of an internal combustion engine is to get oxygen from the air, mix it with gas and cause an explosion that pushes the piston. To get the greatest amounts of oxygen ( n = number of moles ) in the combustion chamber ( v = combustion chamber volume, R = universal gas constant, which are both constant) (based on PV=NRT) without water injection, t would be constant (around the thermostat temp of the car) we can rearrange the equation to read P=N(RT/V) where RT/V is constant. So here you see that the most oxygen you can get in the combustion chamber is directly related to the pressure. If we could decrease T at the same time as increasing P ( P/T=N(R/V) ) it would be the same thing as increasing pressure even more, without increasing the compression ratio(explained before), preventing pre-detonation. The safest way of doing this is to add an intercooler to cool the pressurized intake air back to outside air temps, but using the manfold design of MA and DA, this isn't possible. The alternative is to spray cool water into the hot intake temps.

The explination of causing the ECU to retard the timing isn't a complete picture of what happens, I tried to explain what fully happens here, I know i over simplified it, but I'm just trying to prove concepts here.

[HuGo]

wow. I was so lost but thx for explaining anywayz, not just for me but for everyone else i guess. But what did he mean by, instead of pumping gas, fill the tank with water? Where would you be putting this water at?

[96cali]

Honestly, how I ever aced HS physics is beyond me. Well done Andyman!

I think he means pump gas, as opposed to 100 octane race gas which is not commonly available at the pump.

[REDIS]

Originally Posted by 1996Bmw318TI

wow. I was so lost but thx for explaining anywayz, not just for me but for everyone else i guess. But what did he mean by, instead of pumping gas, fill the tank with water? Where would you be putting this water at?

He meant fill the water/methanol injection tank with water, this cools the charge air. Also you can use a 50/50 mix of water and denatured alcohol, or windshield washer fluid (most common besides water) which contains enough methanol to do the job.

[HuGo]

Originally Posted by REDIS

He meant fill the water/methanol injection tank with water, this cools the charge air. Also you can use a 50/50 mix of water and denatured alcohol, or windshield washer fluid (most common besides water) which contains enough methanol to do the job.

is that where the anti freeze go? Its a white small tank on the right side of the engine? next to the intake?

[andyman7931]

Originally Posted by 1996Bmw318TI

is that where the anti freeze go? Its a white small tank on the right side of the engine? next to the intake?

unless you have the stage 3 kit with water injection already installed, you don't have a tank to put the water. Look at the pics in the kit, you'll see a tank. http://www.eatonm3.com/midnightkit5.jpg