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Old 06-29-2011, 11:53 PM   #1
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Hey guys quick question.

My rear tire is almost flat, and I have to push start it. So I took the wheel off and filled it with air at a gas station.

I know you shud use a torque wrench to retighten the wheels, but I don't have one. Is it safe just to use the tire iron? I have no clue how tight it should be :/
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Old 06-30-2011, 12:04 AM   #2
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yeah its safe to use just make sure is nice and snug and you'll be fine
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better to be too tight than too loose, once you get it on I'd take it to a garage or friend with a torque wrench immediately to make sure it's on good
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Old 06-30-2011, 02:08 AM   #4
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it's more then making sure it's tight, it's got more to do with making sure all the nuts are exactly the same amount of tight.

disc brake rotors get very hot, so, if two bolts are 85 ft.lb. and one is 105 lbs. and the 4th one is 62 lbs, then the hub/wheel/rotor see an uneven amount of stress around it's circumference, add several 100s of degrees of heat generated by the brakes and things tend to go south.

it's okay to hand tighten the lug bolts, just be sure to get them tight and even, then when you get a chance have a torque wrench applied, and for god's sake, do not let the local 'we fit tires' know nothing, put a impact gun to them.
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Old 06-30-2011, 06:36 AM   #5
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What's the right torque?
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Old 06-30-2011, 10:50 AM   #6
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I've always torqued mine to PFT with a 4 way lug wrench. Never had any issues.
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Old 06-30-2011, 03:06 PM   #7
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about 70 -80 ft.lbs. for alloys. like anything that gets torqued, you should use a cross pattern and don't listen to the guy above me.

here's a guide. http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/...jsp?techid=107
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...and don't listen to the guy above me.



Not saying it's not a good idea to torque your wheels to a specified torque, of course it is. However it's not necessary, you're not going to mess anything up by using a calibrated elbow. 99.999% of the cars on the road did not have their wheels torqued once the wheels were removed for the first time. I'll even go further to say that most of the forum members on this site don't use a torque wrench to tighten their wheels. If it was a common problem, you'd see/hear of more cases of wheels falling off and/or cracking around the lug holes. There would also be BIG warnings in the maintenance and owners manuals.

You don't have to listen to me. If you feel more comfortable using a torque wrench, by all means go for it. You guys know that if it were a legitimate safety issue, I'd never suggest anything that would put people in danger. If you simply follow these steps, which I'm sure most of you already do, you'll be just fine.

Removal:
1) Set the parking brake, place vehicle in gear.
2) Break lug bolts loose 1/2 a turn.
3) If you're using an impact, you can skip step 2.
4) Jack vehicle up until the tire clears the ground.
5) If the vehicle is to be raised for more than just a tire change, use jackstands. If I'm to be working underneath the vehicle, I like to place one of the wheels removed under the car in the area that I will be working. This is in addition to jackstands as an added safety precaution. Slowly lower the vehicle onto the jackstands. Give the vehicle a mild shake to ensure the jackstands are seated and holding the weight of the vehicle. Keep the jack in position and raised just below the height of the jackstands. The jack should not have any load on it, it's just in place for the sake of an emergency.
6) Remove lug bolts
7) Remove wheel. Again, if you're to be working under the vehicle, it's a good idea to place the wheel underneath the vehicle. This will protect you from being crushed if the vehicle were to fall. It will not prevent you from being pinned, however it will save your life.
8) I like to place the lug bolts on top of the wheel so they're out of the way and don't become misplaced or kicked across the shop floor.

Installation:
1) Clear all tools/parts from underneath the car.
2) Place wheel on hub and hold in place. (you can use the wheel alignment pin located in the vehicle's toolkit if you're not strong enough to support the wheel while threading the first lug bolt into the hub)
3) Thread all 5 lug bolts by hand a few turns.
4) Continue tightening lugs in a cross pattern with a lug wrench until SNUG. I like to spin the wheel in the opposite direction while the lug wrench is on the bolt and then give the lug wrench a firm jerk in the tightening direction.
5) Verify that the vehicle is in gear and the parking brake is engaged.
6) If the vehicle is supported on jackstands, jack the vehicle up slightly, remove jackstand and verify nothing is left under the vehicle.
7) Slowly lower the jack
8) Repeat steps 6 & 7 until all jackstands are removed and the weight of the vehicle is completely supported by the wheels.
9) Tighten lug bolts in a cross pattern to the manufacture's specified torque using a calibrated torque wrench. Or... you can alternatively:
9a) Tighten the lug bolts in a cross pattern with equal force approximately 1/4-1/2 a turn beyond snug using only your upper body weight to turn the bolt in a downward motion.
10) Repeat tightening process on all wheels removed and double check that all bolts are tight.
11) Drive vehicle for a few miles and recheck that none of the lug bolts have loosened.

It only takes a few extra seconds to use a torque wrench, however if you don't have one handy(most people don't drive around with one in their car), it's not necessary. Just make sure the wheel isn't going to fall off and try to tighten all of the bolts somewhat equally. Like I said, 99.999% of the cars on the road don't have their wheels torqued to spec and you don't see cars piled up on the side of the road with missing wheels. You could go to any tire shop, they'll probably have to search for a torque wrench. What's the chances they'll actually look up the factory spec? Millions of people take their cars to tire shops.

Edit; Seriously, I can't believe I just went through all that hassle to type this out. It's common sense. You could take my advice or leave it.

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Old 06-30-2011, 09:25 PM   #9
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I'm in Hanover, you can borrow my 3/4" drive torque wrench....If you can lift it up. I alsways just used the 4way wrench and tighten it, until I got my own tq wrench. I even checked my "elbow calibration" and it came out damn close to the tq specs, and they were all evenly torqued.

Harbor Freight sells nice cheap tq wrenches.


Costco tire center uses Torque wrenches and tests the calibration of the wrenches regularly. They also look up the specs. Some other places might do that, or they generally use an impact with torque sticks...Or Just impacts... ugh.


Jess, you should work on you car instead of typing here... Maybe it'd get done quicker!
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Jess, you should work on you car instead of typing here... Maybe it'd get done quicker!
Can't do anything until the wheels are done. Car's on jackstands as we speak and I need some stuff chrome/gold plated before I can reassemble the wheels and mount tires. Since chrome plating is illegal here in Ventura County, I have to take the stuff down to LA and I just haven't gotten around to it. Soon though
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Haha so true about some people not using torque wrenches for their wheels I never used one always tighten my lugs with a 4 way but my dad bought a torque wrench I was just curious about what was the right torque.
P.S I have never had a problem with wheels coming loose when I tighten my wheels with a 4 way lug wrench.
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Haha so true about some people not using torque wrenches for their wheels I never used one always tighten my lugs with a 4 way but my dad bought a torque wrench I was just curious about what was the right torque.
P.S I have never had a problem with wheels coming loose when I tighten my wheels with a 4 way lug wrench.
It appears you don't use punctuation either!
A torque wrench can make it possible to hold you wheels on safely, and avoid warping your brake rotors at the same time. It can be used on other parts of the car as well.
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a torque wench should be in every DIY's toolbox and if it is, then why wouldn't you use it for the wheels?
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It appears you don't use punctuation either!
A torque wrench can make it possible to hold you wheels on safely, and avoid warping your brake rotors at the same time. It can be used on other parts of the car as well.
The lug bolts don't thread into the brake rotors. Warping brake rotors? That's just silly The only bolt in the engine compartment that would even come close to needing a 1/2" drive ft,lb torque wrench would be the crankshaft vibration dampener stretch bolt. As for "other parts of the car" that would require such a wrench, the only thing that comes to mind off hand are perhaps the suspension components. Again, I don't know any mechanics that would take the time to look up the torque values for each nut and bolt when it comes to suspension. Most people tighten that stuff down as tight as they can with a standard ratchet, air wrench or impact.
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a torque wench should be in every DIY's toolbox and if it is, then why wouldn't you use it for the wheels?
Your standard 3/8" drive inch lb/NM torque wrench goes nowhere near 80 ft,lbs. And no, most people don't own multiple sized torque wrenches. If you have one, sure. Doesn't change the fact that most shops/DIY'ers don't use torque wrenches to torque down wheels and the world is getting by just fine.

FWIW, I'm not against using torque wrenches. Every bolt on my S52 is torqued to spec. There's some circumstances where it's absolutely necessary and other situations where it's not. In a perfect world EVERYTHING would be done specifically to the manufacture's specifications. That doesn't mean nothing would ever break. Again, wheels falling off doesn't seem to be a common problem. You could go to the BMW dealership and watch them slap a set of wheels on a customer's car. I bet you 9 out of 10 won't use a torque wrench. If it makes you feel better, use a torque wrench to torque your wheels. I'll keep doing what I've been doing for the past 25 years and the Earth will still orbit the sun

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I'll also note that you're not going to die if you don't use a torque wrench. I once had a roomate that forgot to tighten the lug nuts on one of his wheels after doing a brake job. The lugs were only hand tight on that wheel So he goes to work(several miles via the freeway), works his shift, and then on the way home he calls me and says his car is shaking really bad. I meet him in town. He tells me that it started shaking shortly after he left for work the day before. I walk around the car to find two of the lug nuts on that wheel were missing and the other three lug nuts had almost completely backed out! Keep in mind, these were only hand tight. As soon as I showed him, he realized that he had forgot to tighten them with a lug wrench.

The point is, it's highly unlikely that all 5 bolts will back out simultaneously and even if they did, you'd know something was wrong immediately when your car begins shaking violently.

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