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Old 12-23-2005, 04:24 PM   #16
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I have not yet moved my battery, because I need the correct sheet metal to modify the trunk. The cables and other parts are easily ordered from the dealer.

I currently have an Optima in the stock location, but I can't fit the secondary air pump...
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Old 12-23-2005, 04:43 PM   #17
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from what my brain can figure out, it appears rob's pics show the battery on the right-hand side of the hatch area. normally there is a plastic tray there.

what i seem to remember reading about the euro models is that the battery was in the spare tire location or something like that. is that what you're talking about with the sheet metal J!m?

btw, welcome back ... been a long time since i saw you on!
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Old 12-23-2005, 04:45 PM   #18
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check out the user gallery for pics of his battery...

the negative terminal is immediately grounded to the metal chassis...not anymore than 1 foot of cable is used it seems.

the power cable was tough to follow all the way up. you can see it goes along the back side, through the wall of the back seats and down into the carpet. thats as far as i could follow it without ripping the rest of his car up, but we were in the middle of a project and i didnt want to digress too much.

i hope the pics help in some way, but it seems like the pics just show what would probably be common sense as how to wire the battery
thank you rob! took me awhile to figure out where each picture was taken, but i think i got it now
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Old 12-23-2005, 06:09 PM   #19
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yes i should have included a description probably...

Battery1...battery is in the right side of the trunk. he has a 318i...so its not a hatch.

Battery2...Grounded immediately to chassis

Battery3...Power cable is covered with the black cover and goes along under the rear seats and down under the carpet in the rear door and seat area.

Battery4...Shows hole in rear seat. Next to rear fender of the back doors and seats.

Battery5...Shows power cable going into carpet. This is the rear door of his 4 door sedan.

Battery6...Shows the hole from inside the trunk. The cable goes along the rear fender/wheel well and into the rear seats.
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Old 12-23-2005, 06:12 PM   #20
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cool ...
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Old 12-23-2005, 09:08 PM   #21
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from what my brain can figure out, it appears rob's pics show the battery on the right-hand side of the hatch area. normally there is a plastic tray there.

what i seem to remember reading about the euro models is that the battery was in the spare tire location or something like that. is that what you're talking about with the sheet metal J!m?

btw, welcome back ... been a long time since i saw you on!
That's pretty much it- just like the other US BMW's, the battery is in the trunk floor. with a spare tire back there (normally- mine's been sold since it won't fit over the M3 brakes) there is not room for the battery. Now that the tire is gone, there's plenty of room!

I was going to use parts from a US six-cylinder (probably an E36 sedan) and graft it in. Another idea I had was to use a pair of 6-volt Optimas (very small, well, 1/2 the size of a normal optima!), one on each side and have no cutting, fully returnable to stock.

I honestly have not done any real work to my ti in almost two years. It's ready for body work (to happen over the winter) and to get some paint touched-up (mainly the chipped nose).

I have to have it looking perfect for the calendar cover shot!!!!
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Oh, yeah. By the way: those HUGE 275/40-17's I got not so many miles ago (MAYbe 20k miles)? TOYALLY BALD!!!!

The USED front tires are in better shape! Between my depleated uranium foot and the Redline in the LSD, this car EATS rear tires!!!

I'm down-sizing to only 265/40-17's this time to save $100.00 on the tires...
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Oh, yeah. By the way: those HUGE 275/40-17's I got not so many miles ago (MAYbe 20k miles)? TOYALLY BALD!!!!

The USED front tires are in better shape! Between my depleated uranium foot and the Redline in the LSD, this car EATS rear tires!!!

I'm down-sizing to only 265/40-17's this time to save $100.00 on the tires...
did you have the rear fenders rolled or what? how did you fit those monsters in there?

here's what i found using the ETK in regards to the battery in the trunk:

318ti (used my 96):
applicable diagram: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...58&hg=41&fg=25

07 41128189983 TRUNK FLOOR
08 41128189984 FLOOR PANEL TRUNK LATERAL
09 41118189987 REAR LEFT SIDE MEMBER
10 41128189988 RIGHT REAR SIDE MEMBER

323ti (used 6/2000 production date):
applicable diagram: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...58&hg=41&fg=25

07 41128235753 TRUNK FLOOR
08 41128189984 FLOOR PANEL TRUNK LATERAL
09 41118189987 REAR LEFT SIDE MEMBER
10 41128189988 RIGHT REAR SIDE MEMBER
19 41128235754 REAR BATTERY BRACKET
20 41128235755 REAR BATTERY BRACKET


now, obviously part 19 and 20 aren't in our ti's. the question is, is the floor pan different or is that only different because it includes the battery brackets on the 323ti version? we really need a pic of someone's 323ti floor with battery brackets! ggggaaaaahhhhh

or i guess one could just get this and transfer everything: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...55&hg=41&fg=05
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some more findings ...

318ti (used my 96):
applicable diagram: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...63&hg=51&fg=65

02 51478146934 TRIM PANEL RIGHT, ANTHRAZIT
02 51478146936 TRIM PANEL RIGHT, SANDGRAU
02 51472489848 TRIM PANEL RIGHT, ANTHRAZIT
02 51472489849 TRIM PANEL RIGHT, SANDGRAU
03 51478146946 LUGGAGE COMPARTMENT PAN, ANTHRAZIT
03 51478146948 LUGGAGE COMPARTMENT PAN, SANDGRAU
05 71121182662 SUPPORT CAR TOOLS
08 51478146558 INSULATING MAT


323ti (used 6/2000 production date):
applicable diagram: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...63&hg=51&fg=65

02 51478233564 TRIM PANEL RIGHT, SANDGRAU
02 51478233566 TRIM PANEL RIGHT, ANTHRAZIT
02 51478233558 TRIM PANEL RIGHT, SANDGRAU
02 51478233560 TRIM PANEL RIGHT, ANTHRAZIT
03 51478233546 TRIM PANEL RIGHT, SANDGRAU
03 51478233548 TRIM PANEL RIGHT, ANTHRAZIT
05 71111095100 LIFTING JACK STORAGE PARTITION
08 51478232773 INSULATING MAT


not sure why they offer four different trim panels (#2) for each model, but they're all different. the jack storage partition (#5) and the trim panel/luggage pan (#3) on the passenger side of the hatch are also different and could be locations for the battery. really need pics of a 323ti!

another needed diagram: http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...66&hg=61&fg=30
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acquired and awaiting install: heated seat kit, cali top switch relo, lumbar support kit, park distance control kit, heated washer nozzle kit, m-coupe rear subframe, trailing arms, differential, and halfshafts, m-coupe front/rear brakes with master cylinder, under hood light kit, mud flaps, rear sun blind, auto-dimming rear view mirror, tilt steering wheel retrofit, apexcone 5000K HIDs with 55W ballasts




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hmmm ... air supply system? lol ... what the heck is that? that really looks like what was described in that email though, in the middle of the spare tire area. weird. haven't seen that metal cap anywhere in the ETK yet though, odd.
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acquired and awaiting install: heated seat kit, cali top switch relo, lumbar support kit, park distance control kit, heated washer nozzle kit, m-coupe rear subframe, trailing arms, differential, and halfshafts, m-coupe front/rear brakes with master cylinder, under hood light kit, mud flaps, rear sun blind, auto-dimming rear view mirror, tilt steering wheel retrofit, apexcone 5000K HIDs with 55W ballasts




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hmmm ... air supply system? lol ... what the heck is that? that really looks like what was described in that email though, in the middle of the spare tire area. weird. haven't seen that metal cap anywhere in the ETK yet though, odd.
My mistake. I dug a little deeper and found out that pic is from a e39 Touring. That air supply system is from the self leveling setup on the rear of the wagon.
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Here is a correct pic of the location of the 323ti battery. I should have more tomorrow or Wednesday.
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OH MY!!!!!!!!........is that.......is that......is that a factory subwoofer that I see just behind and above the right side (passenger in the US) rear wheel well? sprnova, in addition to the battery pics, can you take some of the subwoofer and please tell me more about the stereo system.....ie how many speakers you have, if the subwwoofer is self powered or powered by a common amp for all speakers. That location is really tempting me to retrofit it. I suppose there is a special piece of carpet to cover it? I have seen the subwwoofer in the ETK, but never knew if it was real. too cool.

Also looks like you give up the spare to have the battery there, or atleast the tools/jack?
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I hate to burst your bubble on this one, but that is not my car. I have just been doing research to try and figure out the configuration of the battery on the 323ti. I found that picture on another enthusiasts website: http://isurfer.mummelnase.de/HP/Kofferraum.htm
I am a US member and have a '95 318ti Club Sport like yours (at this point minus the m3 engine, but that will be changing soon!)

I looked at the ETK and it indeed shows the subwoofer for the 323ti. I attached a pic of the part info.

I made contact with a 323ti owner today who said he would take pictures of his trunk to show me the configuration of the battery. I expect to get them tomorrow or Wednesday. I can also ask him if he has the subwoofer installed.
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The bubble is not completely bursted (sp?) at this point. It is too bad that's not your car, but I'm gald to hear you have a potential source of pics/info. By the looks of the pictures, he ditched the factory subwoofer for a bigger DIY job. All I ask, sprnova, is that you squeeze this guy for as much info as you can get. This post has been up for a while and you're the first with any kind of lead. I bet we would have to cut out the rear floor pan and weld in a new one and like I hypothesized, ditch the sapre for the M-mobility kit or something. I would rather have that big battery in my car than the little racing battery I have, just for the peace of mind.
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Yes I plan to try and get as much info out of him as I can. So far he seems like a nice guy. He was happy to hear from a US compact owner.

He told me that his car does have the spare hanging underneath the car just as ours does. I just went out to my car and removed the spare and took out the plastic "suport for car tools" insert that sits in the floor of the trunk. I really dont see how you could get a battery in there, even if you were using the 323ti equivalent of the USA plastic insert. There is just not enough depth. Based on that I looked in the ETK and compared part #'s for the trunk floor. The 323ti trunk floor has a different part #. That does not necessarily mean the part is different, but my guess would be that it is. I think it would have to be deeper so the battery would not stick up too high. Or I could be completely wrong and the 323ti may just use a half-height battery. But I cannot say I have seen BMW use one of those.

I also took a quick look in the ETK at the part #'s that makeup the spare wheel housing, etc. They all looked the same for both the 323ti and 318ti.

So I dont know. I thought there might be some factory holes in the trunk where you could just screw the 323ti battery hold-down brackets into but I do not see any in my car. But then again, maybe the plastic storage unit that sits in the trunk floor has the proper areas to screw the battery hold-down brackets into.

Update: While I was typing this I decided to go out to my car and measure the distance from the bare trunk bottom the to top of the trunk floor. It is approx. 6". I then measured the height of my factory BMW battery. It is 6 3/4". So maybe a battery could fit in there as things are. But you would also have to take into account how much height the plastic insert that the battery sits in would add.
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