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Old 10-07-2014, 09:23 PM   #1
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So my engines teacher gave the class a question. Does FI require more overlap, I would assume he means valve overlap.
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I would say in general, no. Overlap is used to to squeeze a bit more air/fuel from the intake side using the pressure drop created by the exhaust side. With a turbo you're going to have a larger motive force on the intake side, so a large overlap could result in forcing your intake side air out the exhaust. Of course this would vary from engine to engine depending on back pressure, flowrate from the turbo, etc.
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I would say in general, no. Overlap is used to to squeeze a bit more air/fuel from the intake side using the pressure drop created by the exhaust side. With a turbo you're going to have a larger motive force on the intake side, so a large overlap could result in forcing your intake side air out the exhaust. Of course this would vary from engine to engine depending on back pressure, flowrate from the turbo, etc.

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So my engines teacher gave the class a question. Does FI require more overlap, I would assume he means valve overlap.
No never more overlap on a boosted motor. Overlap on a N/A motor will cause a scavenging, meaning the exiting exhaust gas helps pull in the intake charge into the cylinder, good thing. The more overlap and duration in your cams will cause the motor to lose low end power but the motor will make lots of power in the high RPM's

If you run overlap on a boosted motor the boost which is being crammed through the intake, slammed by the intake valve on its way into the cylinder to create much higher cylinder pressures will just blow right through the open exhaust valve during overlap.

Ok so no overlap or very little on boosted motor: exhaust valve lets out the spent combustion gasses. That exhaust valve closes completely and the intake valve opens. With little or no overlap the cylinder gets crammed with the full boost charge and no boost blows out or is lost by the exhaust valve being open.

Every 14.7 psi of boost doubles the HP/TQ of the motor.

Nitrous motors or as we call it down here "Running the Squeeze or Juice" run good with or without overlap. You just need the right amount of enrichment fuel or it will melt pistons in less then a second.

Hope this helps, John S

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No never more overlap on a boosted motor. Overlap on a N/A motor will cause a scavenging, meaning the exiting exhaust gas helps pull in the intake charge into the cylinder, good thing. The more overlap and duration in your cams will cause the motor to lose low end power but the motor will make lots of power in the high RPM's

If you run overlap on a boosted motor the boost which is being crammed through the intake, slammed by the intake valve on its way into the cylinder to create much higher cylinder pressures will just blow right through the open exhaust valve during overlap.

Ok so no overlap or very little on boosted motor: exhaust valve lets out the spent combustion gasses. That exhaust valve closes completely and the intake valve opens. With little or no overlap the cylinder gets crammed with the full boost charge and no boost blows out or is lost by the exhaust valve being open.

Every 14.7 psi of boost doubles the HP/TQ of the motor.

Nitrous motors or as we call it down here "Running the Squeeze or Juice" run good with or without overlap. You just need the right amount of enrichment fuel or it will melt pistons in less then a second.

Hope this helps, John S

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Thank you John and Biolite for explaining in detail what valve overlap is, in conjunction with forced induction! You guys rock!
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