Euro S50B30 engine swaps for TI

[J!m]

Alex: I may be interested in a few parts for my car. I am running the US motor, but would like to add the Euro oil filter housing/oil cooler kit as was made available for the US M3 LTW. Also, a six-speed transmission and drive shaft are on the want list...

In regards to the dual-pickup oil pan you are offering, does that include the pump as well? Further, does this pan fit the US motor, or did the LTW use a specific part used for the US cars?

I don't track the car, but I have quite a few 'odd' or rare parts, such as the ram-air duct that attaches to the left brake duct and the M3 LTW adjustable splitter. I like having the odd parts for my project, but they have to be factory parts that were available in the model year (199 for me. It gives a goood simulation of what the factory could have built if they were so inclined. The Euro motor was an option when I did my swap, but the Euro motors in particular, and M3 motors in general, were still quite hard to get a hold of when I did mine, whereas they are much more available now, as you well know.

Please e-mail me directly with any information you may have.

[Alex Lipowich]

Hello Jim, I will reply in private as well.

For the list in general, the Euro oil filter housing is an item that bolts directly to the side of any M50 or S50 motor. The euro version includes a built in thermostat that controls oil flow out to an oil cooler that sits below the radiator. The euro radiator is thicker, and cools better of course. It has facility to mount the factory oil cooler underneath it.

I can not yet inspect the condition of the oil coolers and lines that are coming. Often they are damaged or not included. To be honest, when I sell a euro engine, I will be including the oil filter housing most likely along with oil lines and cooler if available.

For people that want a stock look, you could use Euro or S54 oil lines and filter housing easily. If you want a more interesting look, it is not difficult to source adaptors for this that do bolt right on, or you can tap the oil filter housing for standard AN lines and run an aftermarket oil cooler in the front of the car.

Tony Salloum at VAC sells a M50/S50 oil cover/plate with multiple in and out connections to take the place of this oil filter housing, but you lose the factory oil filter, as well as the thermostat. This housing is a very, very nice part, and adds some flexibility.

In my particular application, I had a local machine shop weld on "bungs" to use AN adaptors for my drysump system. I bypassed the thermostat since I do not drive the car in the winter, and I'm not afraid of overcooling the oil. There are multiple ports machined into the factory setup that aid in a project like that.

When I sell a euro 3.2 oilpan, it would have the pump, the pick-ups, and most if not all the hardware you need to install it, short of an oilpan gasket. I could include that too as I get a decent discount at the dealership. These dual pick up oilpans would fit any S50 or M50 engine that is in any E36 chassis. You would probably need to swap to an E36 US spec M3 front swaybar however. Almost identical, and not hard to find. The TI bar doesn't drop as much since it doesn't have to clear an oil pan the same way on the M44 or M42 engine.

I will have a six speed available for sale, but not the DS.

Alex Lipowich

[J!m]

For the list in general, the Euro oil filter housing is an item that bolts directly to the side of any M50 or S50 motor. The euro version includes a built in thermostat that controls oil flow out to an oil cooler that sits below the radiator. It has facility to mount the factory oil cooler underneath it.

>This sounds like the right part, but if I'm not mistaken the filter housing is replaced with a ported/thermostatically controlled part that retains the stock filter etc.

I can not yet inspect the condition of the oil coolers and lines that are coming. Often they are damaged or not included.

>I would replace all the lines anyway, as the age, temperature, shipping damage are all outside my control. (cheap insurance)

For people that want a stock look, you could use Euro or S54 oil lines and filter housing easily.

>Perhaps this is what was used on the LTW?? Do you have part numbers for this set-up?

If you want a more interesting look, it is not difficult to source adaptors for this that do bolt right on, or you can tap the oil filter housing for standard AN lines and run an aftermarket oil cooler in the front of the car.

>I won't run aftermarket for my car, but had investigated this possibility...

Tony Salloum at VAC sells a M50/S50 oil cover/plate with multiple in and out connections to take the place of this oil filter housing, but you lose the factory oil filter, as well as the thermostat. This housing is a very, very nice part, and adds some flexibility.

>Perfect for a race car, but I sometimes go to the dealer for an oil change / code read and they are scared enough of the car...

In my particular application, I had a local machine shop weld on "bungs" to use AN adaptors for my drysump system. I bypassed the thermostat since I do not drive the car in the winter, and I'm not afraid of overcooling the oil. There are multiple ports machined into the factory setup that aid in a project like that.

>Again, perfect for race use. Mine is a year-round (weather permitting) daily driver. When I'm in CT, it is parked all winter because all the salt is removed from the Atlantic ocean to place on the roads...

When I sell a euro 3.2 oilpan, it would have the pump, the pick-ups, and most if not all the hardware you need to install it, short of an oilpan gasket.

>Perfect. That's what I needed to know. Price shipped?

These dual pick up oilpans would fit any S50 or M50 engine that is in any E36 chassis. You would probably need to swap to an E36 US spec M3 front swaybar however.

>I have the complete M3 front suspension installed, so the sway bar is already there.

I will have a six speed available for sale, but not the DS.

>The drive shaft is required, as the length is different. It won't work in a ti or a regular E36 sedan or coupe. You may want to press harder for the drive shaft, or at least get a good part number so it can be purchased new. Also interested in price shipped on this.

Thanks for the info, and I look forward to your e-mail.

[Alex Lipowich]

hello Sean,

I have received the first container from europe, and done all the pertinent math, so I have firm prices set now.

As mentioned, people that are buying an engine package may also have access to a host of other go-fast-goodies such as dual pickup oilpans, 3.2 headers, track pipes, Catalytic converters if you need to pass emissions, mufflers etc....

Please do not ask me what my best price is, I'm not particularly into haggling, and I've priced these to move quickly. In case anyone hasn't noticed, the british pound and euro are kicking our collective behinds, and its not inexpensive to bring this stuff over anymore.

Alex. Please see the website for prices.

http://abloriginalparts.com

[AlaskaBlue]

E36 S50B30 Euro Motor Package...How many miles are on one of these engines? Did they come from left hand or right hand drive cars? Would YOU be able to install this?

Thanks

[Alex Lipowich]

The two motors have between 50 or 70K miles. Very low miles. I personally am able to install the motors, but don't have the time or inclination to do so. I can comfortably refer people to local talent for the installation, and if someone in the midwest is serious, I do believe I could arrange for competitive pricing on an installation. But, this has not yet be requested, and frankly, I'm not planning on opening a shop to do this kind of work.

Locally Patrick BMW has extensive experience with transplants such as this. In addition there is at least one local shop that could probably take this on as well.

Alex.

[sKunkman]

This looks like its probably the best reliable hp increase you can get for 5k, but i still dont have 5k to spend. I would do it if I had the money.

[Virgil]

Hey, just the man I wanted to see, they want 7k w/o tranny for the same 3.2 euro m3 motor on bimmerworld, ripe off. I could by a turbo kit and have it installed for cheaper on an m3...

Anyway, here is what I was thinking of...

3.2l Euro m3 motor
Schrick Camshafts
Cold air intake (take care of this one on my own)
UUC pulleys
Victory product design oil cooler kit

This was taken off a recent article in euro tuner but I was thinking of this long before I saw the article it just helped my thought process along.

Also, any ideas wether a custom quad-tip exhaust is possible, ah-la e90 m3? I love the look of it and would like to have a little show with my go along with a tastefully done widebody to give it the DTM look. Anyway, let me know what you can do performance wise to the engine and how much a slightly beefed up motor would go for. I hate to do the "hey how much would this cost" and not buy anything because I am still planning out my project but I need to get a bearing on price.

[Virgil]

Also, how is handleing changed? obviously I will do suspension work but I would like to know what your impressions are with the added wieght in the front.

[Alex Lipowich]

I responded in private to Virgil.

The short version is that the euro 3.2 is not as easily tuned in the US as the 3.0 version. Schrick does make cams for both engines, but of course doesn't supply you with programming to take advantage of them.

Still have a Euro 3.0 ready to ship, and another that should be ready within a month when I clean it up and put a proper harness and intake on it. There was some damage to it from the donor car that precludes selling it as is.

The Group N, the M5, and a 3.2 have all been sold along with the CR transmissions. I have one core CR trans left.

Alex Lipowich

[Virgil]

Ahh, what is the output of the 3.0 euro motor?

[Alex Lipowich]

The euro 3.0 engine is rated at 286 HP. This was probably an intentional bit of marketing to bask a bit in the old glory of the S38 senior six M engines that were found in the euro M5 and M635csi models. We got the toned down version of those engines at 256 HP in our M5/M6 cars. The 286 may not seem like much compared to what you get with a US spec M3 E36 engine, but in reality, it is hugely difference in terms of torque, redline, "rev" tolerance and pure adrenaline rush induced by the 6 TB set up, and the feeling when it "comes on cam". EVERYone has heard of money shifts and the problems associated with hydraulic valves... the S50B30 has of course the better set up with shims and buckets.

Alex Lipowich

[Virgil]

True, what performance mods would you recommend, simple stuff to tack on an additional 15hp or so to compensate for parasitic drivetrain lose?

[Alex Lipowich]

responded in private.

[snuggz]

Just wanted to chime in to say that this thread rocks, tons of good information I hadn't seen before... Nice site too, that ltw race car looks sick.